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posted by A Team ipernity
Posted on Tuesday February 12, 2008 at 00:38. 3 119 visits. ( permalink )
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[EN]

Dear all,

Thank you very much for participating in our workshop. We appreciate all your comments, opinions and ideas.

What we concluded from your comments:

1) no child protection system could replace parent's responsibility. The most efficient child protection against harmful contents published anywhere is still parental vigilance, pedagogy and communication. Only parents can decide what can or cannot be shown to their children, and criteria may dramatically vary from one parent to another, according to culture, education, values, religion...

2) the ipernity audience is mainly mature and we must consider this as a standard;

3) there is a need of filtering inappropriate contents when browsing in particular contexts: family/children browsing, "at work" browsing...

4) we must do our best to prevent minors (ages under 18) from porn and strongly violent content (This is a legal requirement since we operate under the French law);

5) the rating guidelines we initially proposed, contain some stupid (language matters...) or debatable points (nudity...);

6) the default filtering level we initially proposed for anonymous visitors would tend to make ipernity an edulcorated, candy site. That's absolutely not our goal.

Following those conclusions, here is a revision of what we expect to implement.

Rating categories

- not offensive = zero nudity / no sexual matter / zero violence

- mild/moderate offensive = nudity / erotica / mild violence

strong/severe offensive = all contents restricted to 18+ adults according to the French law, including pornography, strong violence...


Browsing mode

- adult : access to all contents

- standard : access up to mild/moderate offensive contents

- safe : restricted to family friendly contents


Rules for connected members:
- default browsing mode: standard
- possibility of changing of browsing mode from time to time or permanently (in Preferences page)
- only members aged 18+ can switch to adult browsing mode. Age is calculated on the basis of birth date declared by members.

Rules for anonymous visitors:
- default browsing mode: standard
- possibility of switching from standard to safe only. Browsing preference is stored in a cookie.

The current browsing mode is displayed somewhere in the header or footer of ipernity pages.

With this new approach, we hope we've found a system satisfying both our members and our own requirements. This is probably the final round, but we are still open to your comments and ideas ;-)



[FR]

Chers tous,

Nous vous remercions pour votre participation à notre réflexion. Vos commentaires, opinions et idées sont hautement appréciables.

Ce que nous avons conclu de vos commentaires :

1) aucun système de protection des enfants ne pourrait remplacer la responsabilité des parents. La plus efficace des protections contre des contenus nuisibles publiés sur internet est encore aujourd'hui la vigilance, la pédagogie et la communication. Seuls les parents peuvent décider de ce qui peut être montré ou pas à leur enfants, et les critères peuvent sensiblement varier d'un parent à un autre, selon la culture, l'éducation, les valeurs, la religion...

2) l'audience d'ipernity est principalement constituée d'un public mature et nous devons considérer cela comme la norme;

3) il existe un besoin de filtrer les contenus inappropriés dans des contextes d'utilisation particuliers : surf en famille ou par des enfants, utilisation sur le lieu de travail...

4) nous devons faire de notre mieux pour empêcher les mineurs (de moins de 18 ans) d'accéder à du contenu pornographique ou très violent (c'est une nécessité légale car nous opérons sous la Loi française).

5) le système de classification que nous avons proposé initialement, contient certaines stupidités (langage...) ou des points discutables (nudité...);

6) le niveau de filtrage par défaut que nous avons initialement proposé pour les visiteurs anonymes, tendrait à faire d'ipernity un site lisse, édulcoré. Ce n'est absolument pas notre but.

Suite à ces conclusions, voici une mise à jour de ce que nous envisageons de mettre en oeuvre :

Classification

- aucunement choquant = zéro nudité / aucun caractère sexuel / zéro violence

- légèrement / moyennement choquant = nudité / érotisme / violence légère

- fortement / sévèrement choquant = tous les contenus réservés à un public adulte de +18 ans, selon la Loi française, incluant la pornographie et la grande violence

Mode de navigation

- adulte : accès à tous les contenus

- standard : accès jusqu'aux contenus légèrement/moyennement choquants

- sûr : restreint aux contenus aucunement choquants


Règles pour les membres connectés :
- mode de navigation par défaut : standard
- possibilité de changer de mode de navigation temporairement ou de façon permanente (à partir des pages de préférences)
- seuls les membres de +18 ans peuvent naviguer en mode adulte. L'âge est calculé à partir de la date de naissance déclarée par les membres.

Règles pour les visiteurs anonymes :
- mode de navigation par défaut : standard
- possibilité de basculer du mode standard au mode sûr seulement. Les préférences de navigation sont stockées dans un cookie.

Le mode de navigation en vigueur est affiché quelque part en haut ou en bas des pages.

Avec cette nouvelle approche, nous espérons avoir trouvé un système qui satisfait à la fois nos membres et nos propres attentes. Ceci est probablement l'étape finale de notre réflexion, mais nous demeurons ouverts à vos commentaires et vos idées ;-)


[DE] translation courtesy of Tuvalu


Hallo Ihr alle,

Vielen Dank für die Teilnahme an diesem Arbeitskreis. Wir schätzen all Eure Kommentare, Meinungen und Ideen.

Diese Schlussfolgerungen ziehen wir aus Euren Kommentaren:

1) Kein Kinderschutzsystem kann die Verantwortung der Eltern ersetzen. Das effizienteste Schutzsystem für Kinder vor bedenklichen Inhalten, die im gesamten Internet veröffentlicht werden, ist bis heute Wachsamkeit, Erziehung und Kommunikation. Nur die Eltern können entscheiden, was ihre Kinder sehen sollen, und was nicht. Die Kriterien dafür können sich sehr drastisch voneinander unterscheiden, abhängig von Kultur, Erziehung, Werten, Religion...

2) Die Ipernity Nutzer sind zum größten Teil mündig, und davon müssen wir standardmäßig ausgehen.

3) Es gibt einen Bedarf unangebrachte Inhalte ausblenden zu können, je nachdem wo man gerade surft: Eltern mit ihren Kindern, bei der Arbeit...

4) Wir müssen unser bestes tun, um Minderjährige (unter 18 Jahren) vor pornographischen oder stark gewalttätigen Inhalten zu schützen. (Das ist eine gesetzliche Forderung, da wir unter französisches Recht fallen)

5) Die Bewertungsrichtlinien die wir ursprünglich vorgeschlagen haben, enthalten einige unsinnige (sprachbezogene ...) oder strittige Punkte (Akt ...)

6) die Standardeinstellung für die Filterung, die wir ursprünglich für anonyme Besucher vorgeschlagen haben, würde Ipernity zu einer sterilen, überkandidelten Seite machen. Das ist absolut nicht unser Ziel.


Anhand dieser Schlussfolgerungen haben wir revidiert, was wir implementieren möchten:


Bewertungskategorien


- nicht anstößig = kein Akt / nichts sexuelles / keine Gewalt

- wenig/gering anstößig = Akt / Erotik / geringe Gewalt

- stark anstößig = alle Inhalte die nur für Volljährige (18 und älter) nach französischem Recht geeignet sind, unter anderem Pornographie, starke Gewalt...


Betrachtungsstufen

-Erwachsen: Zugang zu allen Inhalten

-Standard: Zugang zu Inhalten bis wenig/gering anstößig

-Sicher: eingeschränkt auf nicht anstößige Inhalte


Regeln für angemeldete Mitglieder:

- voreingestellte Betrachtungsstufe: Standard

- Möglichkeit diese Stufe hin und wieder oder dauerhaft zu ändern (über die "Einstellungen"-Seite)

- nur Mitglieder die 18 Jahre oder älter sind können die Stufe auf Erwachsen stellen. Das Alter errechnet sich hierbei aus dem angegebenen Geburtstag.


Regeln für anonyme Besucher:

- voreingestellte Betrachtungsstufe: Standard

- Möglichkeit von Standard auf Sicher zu wechseln. Die Einstellung wird in einem Cookie gespeichert.


Die eingestellte Betrachtungsstufe wird irgendwo im Kopf- oder Fußbereich der Ipernity-Seiten angezeigt.


Wir hoffen, das wir mit diesem System eine Lösung gefunden haben, die sowohl unsere Nutzer zufrieden stellt, als auch unsere Anforderungen erfüllt. Dies ist wahrscheinlich die letzte Runde, aber wir sind immer noch für Eure Kommentare und Ideen offen. ;-)




[EO] translation courtesy of Lars

Karaj,

dankegon ke vi partoprenis en nia metiejo. Ni aprezas ĉiujn viajn komentojn, opiniojn kaj ideojn.

Jen kion ni konkludis el viaj komentoj:

1) neniu infanprotekta sistemo povus antataŭi la respondecon de la gepatroj. La plej efika infanprotekto kontraŭ danĝeraj enhavoj publikigitaj en la tuta interreto estas ankoraŭ nun atentemo, pedagogio kaj komunikado. Nur gepatroj povas decidi kio povas esti montrata al iliaj infanoj, kaj kriteriaj povas dramece varii de unu gepatro al alia, laŭ kulturo, eduko, valoroj, religio...

2) la publiko de ipernity estas ĉefe matura kaj ni devas konsideri tion normo

3) necesas kaŝi maltaŭgajn enhavojn krozante en certaj situacioj: kun familio/infanoj, laboreje...

4) ni devas fari nian plej bonan por eviti al malplenkreskuloj (aĝaj sub 18) pornografion kaj perfortegan enhavon (tio estas leĝa postulo ĉar ni laboras sub francuja leĝaro)

5) la gvidlinioj pri klasifikado kiujn ni komence proponis enhavas kelkajn stultajn (lingvaj problemoj) aŭ diskuteblajn punktojn (nudeco...)

6) la defaŭlta nivelo de filtrado kiun ni komence proponis por anonimaj vizitantoj tendencas igi ipernity ellavita, bombona paĝaro. Tio tute ne estas nia celo.

Sekve de tiuj konkludoj, jen revizio de tio, kion ni atendas realigi.

Klasifikaj kategorioj

- ne ofenda = neniu nudeconudity / neniu seksa afero / neniu perforto

- milde/modere ofenda = nudeco / erotiko / milda perforto

- forte/severe ofenda = ĉio ekskluziva al plenkreskuloj super 18 jaroj laŭ francuja leĝaro, inkluzive de pornografio, perfortego...

Kroza reĝimo

- plenkreskula : aliro al ĉio

- norma : aliro ĝis milde/modere ofenda enhavo

- sekura : limigita la ne ofenda enhavo

Reguloj por ensalutintaj membroj:
- defaŭlta kroza reĝimo: norma
- ebleco ŝanĝi la reĝimon laŭokaze aŭ daŭre (en la agordoj)
- nur membroj super 18 jaroj povas ŝanĝi al plenkreskula kroza reĝimo. La aĝo estas kalkulata surbaze de la naskiĝdato deklarita de la membro.


Reguloj por anonimaj vizitantoj:
- defaŭlta kroza reĝimo: norma
- ebleco ŝanĝi de norma nur al sekura. La kroza agordo estas konservata en kuketo.

La aktuala kroza reĝimo estas montrata ie en la kapo aŭ piedo de ipernity-paĝoj.

Per tiu ĉi nova aliro ni esperas esti trovintaj sistemon kiu kontentigas kaj niajn membrojn kaj niajn proprajn bezonojn. Ĉi tio estas probable la fina rondo, sed ni daŭre akceptas viajn komentojn kaj ideojn ;-)

This topic has been edited by Team ipernity 19 months ago.

37 Replies

A Team ipernity pro says:
Translations welcome! (please send us an iperMail and we'll add them to this post)
Posted 20 months ago. ( permalink )
tuvalu pro replies:
I've sent a german translation.

light... lightbulb
Posted 20 months ago. ( permalink )
A Team ipernity pro replies:
Thank you very much!
Posted 20 months ago. ( permalink )
Team ipernity edited this reply 20 months ago.
Jerry Lee says:
Good decisions, well done !!

... reminds me of the curry packets in Japan, where they're marked with the number of chillies, 5 red chilies for real hot stuffs.
Posted 20 months ago. ( permalink )
Roberto Ballerini - traveling pro says:
Please, let us know the other half of the story: who will rate the content?

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Posted 20 months ago. ( permalink )
A Team ipernity pro replies:
Nothing changed about that point: authors rate themselves their contents, with a possibility for connected visitors to report bad rated contents, and a possibility for ipernity moderators to change ratings.
Posted 20 months ago. ( permalink )
Team ipernity edited this reply 20 months ago.
Sophie@ipernity pro says:
Moi, j'aime, mais je sens que ça va encore polémiquer sévère :)

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Posted 20 months ago. ( permalink / translate )
Charp pro says:
No major changes from the first proposal, but still good ones:
- the default browsing modes are now on moderate
- the langage and "potentially harmful" categories are off
- what will be offensive or not is less precise: that is in fact a good point, because the question is too subjective. So it will depends on the way you enforce your own rules.


But the worse remains:
- censorship (because the last decision on the content will be your ressort, not the ressort of those who post) without taking account of artistic quality,
- three degrees when just a "offensive" degree could have been justifiable.
"Nudity" absolutely excepted from "safe" is for me a nonsense. Will religious artwork with the theme "The Virgin and Child" be quoted as unsafe, because the breast of Mary is naked, and The Child also?

Conclusion: I prefer no filtering/censorship that this system.
But in practice, it will depends on your reaction, in particular against some zealot antinudity activity. At this stage of the development of Ipernity, the risk is weak, but it could be a problem later.
Thanks for discuss this with members and taking into account - at some extent- our opinions.
Posted 20 months ago. ( permalink )
Charp edited this reply 20 months ago.
-mcb replies:
I still don't see this as real censorship. *Every* user aged 18 or above can switch to a filtering level that displays any category. So for the members of IP this isn't real censorship (excluding the minor ones, but honestly: every kind of youth protection is censorship in this context).
And non-IP members? Yes, they are "censored" in some way. But IP is not intended to be a mass medium but more a closed user group.
Posted 20 months ago. ( permalink )
Amandine // Mata Hari pro says:
Je trouve ça plutôt bien comme proposition, chacun pourra surfer comme il le souhaite :) Il faut juste que tout le monde "joue le jeu" et classe correctement ses documents...
Par contre, une question: que se passe-t-il si certaines personnes postent des documents "illégaux" ?
Posted 20 months ago. ( permalink / translate )
A Team ipernity pro replies:
La liste des contenus illégaux demeure la même que dans la proposition initiale (la loi n'a pas changé !). Lorsque le modérateur ipernity a connaissance d'un contenu illégal, il le supprime sur le champ et décide d'une sanction à l'encontre du membre incriminé (du simple avertissement à l'exclusion, en fonction de la gravité et de la récurrence de la faute).
Posted 20 months ago. ( permalink / translate )
Amandine // Mata Hari pro replies:
Ok merci pour la précision ;)
Posted 20 months ago. ( permalink / translate )
Christophe says:
Cette nouvelle proposition a le mérite de la simplicité.
L'usage montrera ses qualités et ses faiblesses, et il sera toujours temps d'améliorer.
Posted 20 months ago. ( permalink / translate )
Annjin says:
A much better proposal, thank you.

I want to think a little more about it. I agree with Charp in principle although I also recognize this is a commercial business and must abide by law. I'm fine with that.

The most reassuring thing for me, is that you do recognize that this is an adult site. With the content that might come with that.

(goes to pondering a little more...)
Posted 20 months ago. ( permalink )
EdvPhoto says:
I like the system, it follows common sense. Of course it is not perfect, but it should work.

My only concern has to deal with violations. What's the appeal system? Is there going to be a warning before taking further action? IMHO that's been the main problem with Flickr, as they take inmediate action without even warning their users, and in some cases their actions were way too severe for the offense committed.

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Posted 20 months ago. ( permalink )
A Team ipernity pro replies:
Connected visitors can report bad rated or illegal contents to ipernity moderator.
- in case of rating problem, the moderator changes by himself
- in case of pedophilia or child pornography, the moderator suspends the related account and report to the French authorities
- in case of obvious illegal content, the moderator suspends it and asks the related member to delete the content within 48 hrs
- in case of non obvious illegal content (copyrights matters), the moderator asks the related member either to give the proof of his rights or to delete the content within 48 hrs

Members are always notified of decisions/actions taken by ipernity moderators. Members can appeal of decisions/actions with 48 hrs. Cases are reviewed by the ipernity management commity which takes the final decision.
Posted 20 months ago. ( permalink )
Ger & Mat says:
"Rules for connected members:
- default browsing mode: standard
- possibility of changing of browsing mode from time to time or permanently (in Preferences page)
- only members aged 18+ can switch to adult browsing mode. Age is calculated on the basis of birth date declared by members."

Yes! Great way of doing it!!!

"Rules for anonymous visitors:
- default browsing mode: standard
- possibility of switching from standard to safe only. Browsing preference is stored in a cookie."

No!
Rather:
-default browsing mode: safe
-possibility of switching to standard mode only. Browsing preference stored in session cookie.

In that way no child will be subjected to any material that it should not be subjected to at the start of the session. Remember it is the entry point - first impression...

@ipernity staff:
Thank you for this open debate!
Kind regards,
Mat
Posted 20 months ago. ( permalink )
Nina replies:
I agree Ger & Mat proposal........
Posted 18 months ago. ( permalink )
daboogieman says:
I agree and support what Mat & Ger said. This makes perfect sense.
Just my 2 cents worth.

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Posted 20 months ago. ( permalink )
Nellyg pro says:
I like the idea very much, although I also feel that the default browsing mode should be "safe".
The more difficult issue will be getting members to set their filtering system properly. I believe that this is an issue that won't be resolved easily and will take much more debate.
Lets face it, there will always be someone who believes that a photo of his manhood is a work of art and should be seen by the whole world. If the world disagrees and tells him to put it away, they get accused of censorship.

I don't have any answers I'm afraid, but thanks for giving me the chance
Gerry
Posted 20 months ago. ( permalink )
Jean-Michel pro says:
I like the proposal as it is.
"standard" mode as default for everybody makes it simple and easy to understand. and flexibility is still there if needed.
I'm in

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Posted 20 months ago. ( permalink )
EdvPhoto says:
I like your plan on how to deal with aparent violations. It is good to know there is an appealing process, and that you won't unilateraly take actions for minor infractions, but rather let the user make the required changes.
Posted 20 months ago. ( permalink )
Alain CABANNES says:
C'est une approche qui a l'air de tenir la route.
Posted 20 months ago. ( permalink / translate )
avatark says:
it is a good thing
Posted 20 months ago. ( permalink )
TideSurfer pro says:
Sounds good for now, yet I still fear a more detailed and sophisticated may be necessary later on when Ipernity gets bigger and bigger.

The problem remaining unsolved will be: who considers what as offensive or not...

We'll see the reactions when you implement your proposal.
Posted 20 months ago. ( permalink )
Дон Андре pro says:
I want to add that while I think nudity is not particularly harmful, violence is. It has been shown in scientific studies that exposure and experience of violence will make it more likely for oneself to exhibit violent behaviour.
I know that it's common to include both sexuality and violence under the same content rating. But I think one has a more harmful effect than others. At least we will all engage in acts of sexuality once, however most of us will never want to engage in acts of violence.

Well the flaw is certainly deeply rooted within society and I don't expect ipernity to change that, but I just want to present it as thought for discussion.
Posted 20 months ago. ( permalink )
Ger & Mat says:
I agree with Don. Violence could - or should be rated separately to nudity as it is very different.
Mat
Posted 20 months ago. ( permalink )
k2hsharpe says:
I also agree with above ... Violence and Sex are 2 totally different things and should be dealt with as such. Non consensual sexual violence should be considered Violence and not Sex in my opinion.

I am a little confused as to the function of Filtering. Is it to ensure compliance with the laws of the host country and thereby ensure continuance of operation? If so, it should be fairly straightforward to structure Ipernity so as to be seen to legally comply (even whilst it probably fails) and thus fulfil legal obligations. Or is there a moral and ethical obligation members have to the broader communities that might access Ipernity, an obligation that has to be balanced against artistic freedom of the members? And one that comfortably sits within legal guidelines but not perhaps ethical / moral ones, the dreaded Grey Area? If so, then few considerations ...

Taking "age" as calculated by DOB given on joining I assume fulfils legal requirements? But many children over 10 years old and some under 10 years will know that putting a DOB that makes them 18 years plus will give them access to bigger and better things. Is there a moral / ethical imperative Ipernity operates under? If so, does this mechanism fulfil it? Can it be fulfilled? Does it really matter? I suspect not given what is easily available online to all children.

I've worked in an associated health care field for over 30 year. In that time my life has been touched by many people (the vast majority women) whose lives have been blighted by sexual and other violences. Some to the extent that they require huge courage just to do things so inconsequential we wouldn't even include them in a log of our own daily activities. The thing about images depicting explicit non-consensual violence against the vulnerable is that they are not like those in film or books. They are not context specific. They exist in limbo to be interpreted any which way and perhaps encourage similar real life activities in those damaged or debased. I'm sure they comply with legal requirements but do we have moral / ethical obligations that they do not comply with? Do I hear the words "Artistic Freedom" ring loud here? I am so glad I don't have to make decisions about this because I honestly wouldn't know what to do.

Finally, an odd one no-one mentions. Images of people unaware they have been taken and posted without their knowledge or consent. I've taken and posted 'street' images that contain people, and have done so without asking their permissions. But I'm especially concerned with those that that expose the subjects to ridicule and / or sexual voyeurism. I have viewed images of unfortunate people or unfortunate circumstances. But I'd rather not. Such images are almost certainly legal but where do they sit on any reasonable ethical / moral radar? A small thing perhaps, and there is always artistic freedom to consider, so does this need consideration?

Again I'm glad I don't have to make such decisions. Mind you decisions are often not the hardest part, compliance is I'd guess.
Posted 20 months ago. ( permalink )
mo ** pro says:
je pense que c'est pas facile a balancer entre toutes partes .
merci pour essayer à trouver une solution - i think it's better
than the one before ...
Posted 20 months ago. ( permalink / translate )
Ger & Mat says:
Hmmm...
I wonder has our Ipernity Team any news on this rating system? Any updates or further thoughts?
Ger
Posted 17 months ago. ( permalink )
A Team ipernity pro replies:
This project is "on hold". We are currently working on our API. We'll start implementing that system in a couple of weeks. Discussion is still open. All ideas welcome.
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )
Ger & Mat replies:
Thank you Ipernity Team for updating us on this.
Meanwhile, you as a team might think of a system that allows us to send a complaint about image(s) from our contacts. Currently we have no mechanism to do that. We have to remove the contact from our list but then we might not be able to see the 'violating' image and therefore can't complain to you.
I do however understand the dilemma you might be in too:
That you might get flooded with complaints for all sorts of reasons, some of which might be very personal opinions.
Though I do feel that a system that allows us to complain about illegal content in our contact's doc's is essential.
Thank you for your time and best regards,
Mat
Posted 13 months ago. ( permalink )
Agatha Savoie pro says:
Sur internet il y a le pire, comme le racisme au sens très large, mais j'ai envie de rajouter quand même, malgré la parenté avec ce fléau de l'humanité,la propagande neo -nazie; il y a aussi les images pédophiles ou de pornographie hard...
Sur ipernity des règles sont posées: respect de l'autre dans ce qui est montré mais aussi dit et pour parler plus précisément du sujet discuté ici, des photos qui plaisent à certains et pas à d'autres, souvent des parents mais pas seulement ...
Je n'ai plus dix ans, loin de là et je connais la vie - un peu - et voir dans une série de photos de paysages, de gens, d'objets une femme nue ou un sexe en érection cela ne me donne pas de boutons....
Par contre, tomber par hasard sur vingt photos d'affilée sur des cuisses ouvertes, des sexes d'hommes mélangés, des montages de filles avec des pénis agressifs et contents d'eux-même comme leur pauvre propriétaire, cela me dégoûte moi adulte car je ne suis pas venue voir cela sur ipernity ..
Dans ce cas le désir de liberté de celui qui poste ces photos ne respecte en rien le mien de voir des photos publiques mais pas pornographiques ..... il y a des sites pour cela ....
On peut me répondre que je ne suis pas obligée d'aller sur ce site .....
Oui mais quand un nouveau d'ipernity vient notre page et fait des commentaires sur nos photos, la courtoisie est de le remercier et d'aller voir les siennes ... et de tomber sur ......... même sans les ouvrir, on est obligé de regarder au moins quelques instants ;;;

Bref, que faire après? Ecrire à ipernity pour le signaler ...la personne est suspendue pour 48 h avec mise en garde puis revient avec ....ces mêmes photos ...cela sert à quoi donc ??
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink / translate )
Ger & Mat says:
[en]
The english translation (click link provided) does not make any sense at all really...
Maybe someone could provide a better translation? Thank you very kindly.

[de]
Die Englisch uebersetzung (click den link) macht ueberhapt keinen sinn - wirklich...
Vielleicht kann ja jemand eine bessere uebersetzung machen? Herzlichen dank.

Mat
Posted 15 months ago. ( permalink / translate )
Rrolf pro says:
Hi!

Is there any progress. The system is really needed for all of us who want to share openly (i.e. to appropriate audience) pictures which some people might find offensive.

Rrolf
Posted 7 months ago. ( permalink )
Rrolf pro says:
Ping!
Posted 4 months ago. ( permalink )
Rrolf pro says:
Hi!

This is urgently needed. So many accounts locked or closed. Would be no problem with a proper rating.

Thanks
Rrolf
Posted 3 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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