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EN/From Flickr to Ipernity

Thursday June 21, 2007 at 09:29AM

So this is where we meet again.

I won’t give up Flickr entirely: one has certain obligations, mainly to the AlphaSmart group (
www.flickr.com/groups/alphasmart), but also to the three people who told me they like the Icking pictures (www.flickr.com/groups/icking). I’ll hardly renew my Pro account, though, which means that Flickr can’t serve for backing-up my original photos anymore.

Are Stewart, Heather, and the other members of the Flickr staff bad people? I don’t think so. As far as I’ve read their explanations I’m inclined to accept them. Though their intentions may have been “good”, they were remarkably naive in thinking that a German localization would outweigh the loss of pictures, your own pictures and those of your friends. And I blame them for ineffectiveness and the consequence of destroying a community. The “Flickr community” as a whole never meant much to me, but I do care about my personal deminutive community on Flickr, and they have destroyed that one too: some Kees club members stay, some move away. It will be hard not to lose any. And it will certainly be a hassle.

What also disturbed me is the display of anticipatory obedience (vorauseilender Gehorsam): the German government has done nothing to warrant the measures taken. There are legal regulations to protect people from certain contents –child porn and other aberrations of the sick mind–, but most of these contents weren’t allowed on Flickr in the first place. As far as I can see, the only field where regulations may be more strict in Germany than elsewhere is the celebration of violence and nazi symbols. If Flickr.de would dispense with that, just with that, there would have been no uproar, I think. As it is, many harmless pictures are classified as unsafe. I grant filtering pictures must be hard, given the large number of uploads, but Flickr members are entitled to –let’s call it: just censorship.

True, you can always open a Yahoo.com account, link your Flickr account to that, and everything will be alright. Alright? When many familiar people don’t think so and take their leave? Besides, it is true: what happens on Flickr.de today, may happen on Flickr.com tomorrow... It may even happen on Ipernity. God forbid.


PS: I’m no blogger by nature, and if I post I’m not sure which language I’ll choose. It may be English (EN), German (DE), or Dutch (NL). I promise it won’t be French.

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assbachpro says:
i just hope all this daily thinking will stop soon for me. it's already so painful and sad (yes i mean these words) for me now. maybe i just need a new start now. .... and i am glad so many friends are with me to walk this path.

at that point i am not willing to delete my flickr account but i will neither upload more pictrues, nor extend my pro account in december. maybe i will change my mind, but that's what i am thinking at the moment.

thanks for that post here.
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
Keespro replies:
I agree, though it must be much worse for you than it is for me: you were much more a part of the Flickr community, with many ramifications throughout –I have just a few people I happen to like (and the AlphaSmart group virtually consisting of non-photographers...).
I can well understand the indignation of the Flickr members affected (or having a sense of solidarity), but entertain a more moderate view than most: I fail to believe that the Antichrist has already come over us. If anything, Stewart, Heather & Co. are poor devils, having to defend a dubious company strategy. Flickr/yahoo has been stupid. Nothing more, nothing less.

BTW, I have always had a Yahoo.com account. I was just afraid to be left alone in the dark after everyone had left and turned out the light...
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
Sherry ~ Rebujito says:
Kees there is alot to say in reply here, but well to make it short and sweet like me :-)...I do agree with most of what you are saying, but bottomline...flickr will never be the same...so dunno yet my finals actions there...but I DO know they will get no more of my money...so anyway...I'll talk at ya later about this :-)
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
Keespro replies:
Sherry, there is much more to say on this issue than I did, that’s true. And I share your conclusion that Flickr will never be the same, at least not for you and me, and for a small percentage of disillusioned members who will remain diffident if they care to stay at all.

I can’t help wondering how many Flickerites will be satisfied when Flickr gets rid of a bunch of troublemakers. After all, Flickr is about birds and bees, not about protest sometimes taking “drastic” forms... ;-)
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
Julian says:
hear ye, hear ye... well put Kees! I could say a lot more as well, but I'd rather not dwell on that right now, but instead see what we can make of this new community called Ipernity! Anyone know where the name comes from?
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
Keespro replies:
Julian, I kind of like the blogging feature here: you can finally express your controversial views without getting killed. :-) It’s another matter if they’re actually going to be read, but YOU’ve read them, so...

The origin of the name? No idea! It would be tempting to assume the site is named after our ubiquitous contact “Léa d'ipernity”, but I bet it’s the other way around... ;-)
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
Julian replies:
Sadly I am not bilingual, so my exploring here is somewhat limited in that respect. When I saw her name I assumed it translated as Lea of Ipernity, I never thought of it as a name, but that's possible I guess!

And yes, having all these other things here, blogs, playlists, etc... oh what fun!
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
Julian replies:
As I said, I'm not bilingual, so puzzling over something that could be a play on French words won't get me far, but something that came to mind... IP for Internet Protocol... now the question is does ernity mean anything or come close to meaning anything in french? Yeah I know... it's a quiet morning, I'm all by myself, and there's nothing to do! LOL!
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
Keespro replies:
My own association (and I seem not to be the only one to have it) was with “eternity”. So: IP + eternity = Ipernity? Does it mean that we are bound to stay here for a VERY LONG time? I hope so!
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
Keespro replies:
Your theory appears to have been right (mine, too, BTW):

www.ipernity.com/doc/team/169952/sizes

The article also reveals Léa’s real identity... :-)
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
Julian replies:
My God! With our combined brain power maybe we could discover the meaning of life... or solve world hunger... end war... maybe tomorrow... I'm hungry and my head hurts right now!
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
renovatio06 says:
Kees, I feel exactly the same way about Yahoo/flickr, particularly what you said about their measures in implementing that unfortunate filter and how they dealt with it. I see things in a much similar way, but I am unforgiving about their lawyers/consultants, who are most likely receiving shitloads of money and come up with such a - to borrow a term from Sherry - piss-poor job in handling this matter.
Also: This entire incident has taken away a lot of my initial enthusiasm about sharing some of my life in the virtual space, as I had to learn the hard way that corporations just treat OUR content as if it were theirs altogether. True, they deliver the platform, but it's US - and their advertisors - who pay for that to happen. And they reward us by having the audacity to almost arbitrarily select what they accept and what they turn down - and what they allow us to show to others. And also - in a sudden surge of paranoia - this entire incident has cast a totally new light on the question of which information I'm ready to disclose to the general public in the first place. Forgive, if I tend to paint things too dark, but this experience has given rise to a whole new stream of thoughts on all things web 2.0...
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )

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